Never heard of DeltaChat why not signal??
It’s a good one (Signal as well, though). My favorite design decision was to tie it into the email ecosystem, so if anyone tries to block it, they will have to block email, which their business buddies won’t be happy about.
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Because Signal is not decentralized nor anonymous
Not federated, but definitely anonymous. All Signal messages are E2EE, and Signal can’t even access your messages. They literally have a page where they list every time they’ve been asked by the government to give info, and they can’t. https://signal.org/bigbrother/
Wait that’s really funny
with these its more about whos using it
Frankly it’s the first time I hear about Delta chat
I’ve tried a ton, and DeltaChat came close, but there is no edit option for messages, since under the hood, it uses email. The apps on both iPhone and Android also had issues with notifications. I convinced a few family members and friends to use it and then had to convince them again to move to Signal. Lost a few of them in the process.
The point of my story is to say… If you think you’ll have a hard time convincing people to get off WhatsApp/Texting, just go to Signal. It is much more mainstream and at least it isn’t Facebook.
Doesn’t delta use email under the hood, an insecure protocol?
You’re better off using something like Matrix, XMPP, SimpleX or Signal.
Email? So its just encrypted SMS?
Might come down to the metadata, then, like SFTP vs FTPES or GET vs POST.
Sms and email are not remotely the same
I’ve worked with both in my career. Tell me more…
I guess so. It’s encrypted data sent over email from what i understand. Tbf i’d rather trust software built with protocols specifically built for secure and private messaging, and email is known to not be that.
The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat. Signal is not private nor decentralized and SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried
The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat
Maybe. My comment was based off of what i understood from the website
Signal is not private
Could you elaborate on this? haven’t heard of this point (is it due to the jurisdiction on a 5 eyes country?)
SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried
It actually does now. It’s a very solid choice i’d say :)
You need a phone number to sign up which requires identification in most countries.
Also anyone who knows your username can ping where you are at any time: https://gist.github.com/hackermondev/45a3cdfa52246f1d1201c1e8cdef6117
Interesting, thanks. I think SimpleX fixes a lot of signal’s issues, but the only problem i have that it is funded by VC and quite new.
Ah so they are just capturing users currently and will have to make return on investment later? That’s a no from me.
Yeah it’s a shame, though i’m going to wait before switching to it to see if it gets itself into any hot water.
so I found it interesting and checked it out. the protocol is all well and good but the problem is social. I’m simply not going to send people my delta chat Id and ask them to message me there instead if they have delta chat installed. I had the same problem with session messenger.
when I meet someone irl I’m trading phone numbers. not asking if they have app X installed.
this might be useful for open source projects where you can use ur delta chat id instead of ur email. but it’s not something I would use unless it’s a requirement to join some community I wanted to.
the problem signal solves by tieing accounts to your phone number is contact discovery. thanks to user IDs you no longer have to share your phone number with people u want to chat with, and can only share your user id
plus signal guarantees the metadata is encrypted. is the same true for delta chat?
Basically it’s an Open source Whatsapp, but you use Email, instead of a phone number
So like matrix?
Yea but not in vc debt so without the incentive to sell out users
What VC money has Matrix taken? Genuinely curious
30 million dollars https://element.io/blog/element-raises-30m-as-matrix-explodes/
You can argue that element is not matrix but you’re fooling yourself. Others even have to look at how element implements stuff instead of following the matrix spec
Good to know, thank you for the link
there’s also session
unfortunately privacy and usability are inversely related. session is private. I loved it. but I had no one to chat with 😃
I had no idea if any of my contacts were on session or not.
