Early stages of Ukrainian counteroffensive 'not meeting expectations,' Western officials tell CNN | CNN Politics
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In its early phases, Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN.
  • gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Maybe redditors will stop cheering for other people to be sent to die. But probably not.

    • FaceDeer@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      I would really rather that people stop dying. But that choice is entirely up to the Russians, who are the ones who started and are continuing to pursue this invasion.

      They could just go home and this would all be over. This is on them.

      • gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        Amazing deflection of responsibility. Why are you in favor of forcing people to die for your cause? Go fight yourself.

        Then there’s the denying of reality. The Russians aren’t going to go away, even if you send in more conscripts. So the plan is what exactly? Just send in more guys (not you of course) until there’s no-one left?

        And you also pull the old kindergarten move of “they started it”, when you know damn well this shit has been brewing for a while. Heck, even if this were true, maybe some deescalation would be wise? But no matter, the other guys are 100% at fault for sure and so your hands are clean.

        • No_Money_Just_Change@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          So what about the fact that

          1. the democtraticly elected government of the Ukraine is deciding to continue or surrender. Military aid is not forcing them to fight but helping then after they have decided to do so.
          2. There is little stopping Russia from attacking other regions or contries after they overtook the eastern part of Ukraine. They allready stated they see Poland and Moldova as part of the “russian world” they want to create

          I do agree that there were breaches of verbal agreements by the NATO but there is rarely a more clear aggresor than when one contry invades an other. You may now start with whataboutism, the us and all the countries they invaded but two wrongs don’t make a right

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            The democratically elected government of Ukraine was overthrown in a western backed violent coup in 2014. What Ukraine has now is a client regime.

    • Rinox@feddit.it
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      1 year ago

      the people of the donbass and luhansk voted to join russia and have been killed by ukranian artilliary for many years let them follow the will of democracy

      Also Kiyv right? Because Russians tried to take that too you know And the rest of the country for that matter. And depose the democratically elected president. But yeah, tell me now, Zelensky is fascist satanist gay and other epitomes you’ll parrot straight from Putler’s lips.

      The fact of the matter is, Russia invaded Ukraine like Nazi Germany did with Czechoslovakia and Poland, using the pretext of “protecting ethnic minorities” like Nazi Germany did and will be sent back, like Nazi Germany.

      But sure, let Russia pursue peace in “good faith” and let them “liberate” cities by turning them to glass floors.