Are we still a democracy? Is dissent not allowed? Are we in Israel or Canada? How is taking an advocacy position for one people religious hate? Are we then to take all the pro-Israeli advocates as anti-islamic and should those not be deemed as religious hate as well? This sounds like a right-wing hell we are descending into Canada. [I don’t have a dog in this war.]
Depends on the posts actually, and looking at what this guy posted
From river to the sea Palestine will be free = genocide/expel all Jews in-between
Propagation of fake news of the hospital attack which has conclusively been proven to be a Hamas/Islamic Jihad malfunctioning rocket.
Justifying murder of civilians, men, women, children, kidnapping of people because people were “oppressed”
Seems like justified.
Imagine someone posting about “From Ganges to Arabian Sea, India will be free”, or something similar implying expelling/killing of Muslims, they’d be fired from their job in the blink of an eye. How’d you feel about that? So why is this jew hatred to be tolerated?
Free in both Gaza and the West Bank is the main one. “From the river to the sea excluding a 40 km gap roughly in the middle” just doesn’t have the same ring. There’s also the one-state interpretation, where the Jews are still there but living alongside Palestinians as equals (nice but currently implausible IMO).
Taken without any context, it actually says nothing about Israel at all, or the exact nature of said Palestinian freedom somewhere between those two landmarks. With context it means more, but the context varies considerably depending on whether it’s, say, a peace-loving Jew or Hamas saying it.
I understand that there actually might be some people that mean it in the ways you are explaining.
Since Hamas has adopted it more than 10 years ago, it is at least (!) a dogwhistle by now. The whole phrase is burned for a peaceful message because of this.
I wish there was a way to actually measure what people mean. As far as I can tell, there’s a lot of people just like me who think the Palestinians have gotten an unfair shake, but have nothing against Jews, or in some cases actually are Jews. The actual antisemites are also quietly in the same spaces. I really don’t think hate is the main motivator overall, but I can’t prove it either.
Sadly, that particular chant is probably going to have even more staying power now that it’s under attack.
The key word there would be Jewish. If it’s genocidal to say from the river to the sea Israel will be Arab (which isn’t even what people say in English!) how is it not genocidal to say from the river to the sea Israel will be Jewish? How is that bad faith?
The bad faith is getting rid of Israel, getting rid of Israel/converting them to Islam is how this whole thing started ~1000 years ago or whatever
The pro Palestine argument is coexist
You can look at the US civil rights movement, King’s (and others) anti-violence approach (while the other side was extremely violent) is why it was so successful. The aggressor can’t paint the other side as bad if they don’t commit crimes
Thank you for speaking up. I’m Jewish and have family in Israel that have been affected by the October 7 terror attack. My heart breaks for the innocent Palestinians caught between and can’t get out and who have only ever known conflict. My heart also breaks for the Israelis who are subject to terror inflicted by Hamas. This is not like Russia invading Ukraine. This conflict is messy and there is no clear good guy or bad guy.
People are so quick to jump to conclusions (just look at the parent comment here, highly upvoted and claiming that Canada is locking people up for wrongthink). All this knee-jerk reactionary rhetoric spells is more firebombed synagogues, shootings on Jewish schools, and open acceptance of antisemitism since people at large cannot distinguish Jews from Israel (as the parent comment was not even able to do, and they outwardly claim they don’t even have a dog in this fight. No dog, but very quick to jump to conclusions and extremes).
The way we jump on this particular issue and make assumptions seems off to me as well. The comparison to Russia/Ukraine is apt as Russia very much attempted genocide against Ukrainians in the past (Holodomor) and their current actions similar involve many atrocities, yet - while we have done some things in regards to sanctions etc - very little seems to come up regarding the fairly obvious spouting of Russian propaganda etc.
Ditto, where’s the jumping on idiots driving around with shit like Confederate flags?
I’ve heard excuses like “they don’t really understand” or “it’s complicated” for the lack of consequences, but then we have this particular phrase which seems to just be a lightning rod.
This isn’t to say that that what’s happening isn’t terrible, but why is the reaction so much different versus other terribly things?
(And no I’m not trying to hint at some grand Jewish conspiracy or that sort of bullshit, though maybe it’s politicians with their lips planted more firmly on some asses than others)
Add to this that he was suspended (not jailed) and the country’s major public broadcaster posted this very article questioning the appropriateness of his suspension. He has a voice in the public media and also an opportunity to avail himself of the court system and seek damages. Are we still a democracy? Yeah, sounds like it to me.
Are we still a democracy? Is dissent not allowed? Are we in Israel or Canada? How is taking an advocacy position for one people religious hate? Are we then to take all the pro-Israeli advocates as anti-islamic and should those not be deemed as religious hate as well? This sounds like a right-wing hell we are descending into Canada. [I don’t have a dog in this war.]
Depends on the posts actually, and looking at what this guy posted
Seems like justified.
Imagine someone posting about “From Ganges to Arabian Sea, India will be free”, or something similar implying expelling/killing of Muslims, they’d be fired from their job in the blink of an eye. How’d you feel about that? So why is this jew hatred to be tolerated?
That’s far from the only interpretation.
Do you have a link to the original comments? All I can find is the angry blog post accusing him, and it’s partly paywalled.
What is the explanation then?
Free in both Gaza and the West Bank is the main one. “From the river to the sea excluding a 40 km gap roughly in the middle” just doesn’t have the same ring. There’s also the one-state interpretation, where the Jews are still there but living alongside Palestinians as equals (nice but currently implausible IMO).
Taken without any context, it actually says nothing about Israel at all, or the exact nature of said Palestinian freedom somewhere between those two landmarks. With context it means more, but the context varies considerably depending on whether it’s, say, a peace-loving Jew or Hamas saying it.
I understand that there actually might be some people that mean it in the ways you are explaining.
Since Hamas has adopted it more than 10 years ago, it is at least (!) a dogwhistle by now. The whole phrase is burned for a peaceful message because of this.
It’s been a saying in Palestine since Israel happened to them.
You mean the UN partition plan from 1948 that Israel accepted to create Israel?
What’s your point?
I wish there was a way to actually measure what people mean. As far as I can tell, there’s a lot of people just like me who think the Palestinians have gotten an unfair shake, but have nothing against Jews, or in some cases actually are Jews. The actual antisemites are also quietly in the same spaces. I really don’t think hate is the main motivator overall, but I can’t prove it either.
Sadly, that particular chant is probably going to have even more staying power now that it’s under attack.
It means free Palestine.
If it’s a cry for genocide what is it that’s in the Israeli constitution about that same area being an inextricable part of a Jewish state?
Isn’t Israel in the way?
Palestine isn’t a country
It’s be like the Cree claiming all of Canada vs Canada claiming all of Canada
Please argue in good faith, you don’t help us when you take such bad stances
The key word there would be Jewish. If it’s genocidal to say from the river to the sea Israel will be Arab (which isn’t even what people say in English!) how is it not genocidal to say from the river to the sea Israel will be Jewish? How is that bad faith?
Oh no, we want a secular Israel
The bad faith is getting rid of Israel, getting rid of Israel/converting them to Islam is how this whole thing started ~1000 years ago or whatever
The pro Palestine argument is coexist
You can look at the US civil rights movement, King’s (and others) anti-violence approach (while the other side was extremely violent) is why it was so successful. The aggressor can’t paint the other side as bad if they don’t commit crimes
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NO IT FUCKING DOESNT
NO IT FUCKING HASNT
the lies of the supporters of genocide, everyone!
Thank you for speaking up. I’m Jewish and have family in Israel that have been affected by the October 7 terror attack. My heart breaks for the innocent Palestinians caught between and can’t get out and who have only ever known conflict. My heart also breaks for the Israelis who are subject to terror inflicted by Hamas. This is not like Russia invading Ukraine. This conflict is messy and there is no clear good guy or bad guy.
People are so quick to jump to conclusions (just look at the parent comment here, highly upvoted and claiming that Canada is locking people up for wrongthink). All this knee-jerk reactionary rhetoric spells is more firebombed synagogues, shootings on Jewish schools, and open acceptance of antisemitism since people at large cannot distinguish Jews from Israel (as the parent comment was not even able to do, and they outwardly claim they don’t even have a dog in this fight. No dog, but very quick to jump to conclusions and extremes).
The way we jump on this particular issue and make assumptions seems off to me as well. The comparison to Russia/Ukraine is apt as Russia very much attempted genocide against Ukrainians in the past (Holodomor) and their current actions similar involve many atrocities, yet - while we have done some things in regards to sanctions etc - very little seems to come up regarding the fairly obvious spouting of Russian propaganda etc. Ditto, where’s the jumping on idiots driving around with shit like Confederate flags?
I’ve heard excuses like “they don’t really understand” or “it’s complicated” for the lack of consequences, but then we have this particular phrase which seems to just be a lightning rod.
This isn’t to say that that what’s happening isn’t terrible, but why is the reaction so much different versus other terribly things?
(And no I’m not trying to hint at some grand Jewish conspiracy or that sort of bullshit, though maybe it’s politicians with their lips planted more firmly on some asses than others)
Add to this that he was suspended (not jailed) and the country’s major public broadcaster posted this very article questioning the appropriateness of his suspension. He has a voice in the public media and also an opportunity to avail himself of the court system and seek damages. Are we still a democracy? Yeah, sounds like it to me.
Suspended pending investigation not outright suspended