Fwiw: other than insults and a mod’s implied threat… The conversation looked like it had potential and that both of you were making relevanct, fact-based points.

Issue was that there was a low key combativeness throughout and I’m not sure why that was necessary. I see that a lot online, but I think I see it more here than anywhere else.

I’ve wondered if it’s just easy to feel like a big fish in this medium sized pond and then embarrass ourselves when we meet a fish of approximately equal size.

Having said all the above. I slip into combative too. Almost always have regrets later, but it’s super easy to do.

I see this going only a few directions:

• Threads tries and fails
• Threads succeeds, flexes, annexes
• Equilibrium, and Mastodon/Lemmy become the social network APIs that connect across (like I wish we’d had when G+ was a thing)

Meta will be okay making money off lemmy indirectly for a while. Then, if they grow, they’ll want more than a toehold.

When it’s Facebook, trust that greed and power are the goals.

They don’t take risks.

Quibble: Meta took a huge write off because their metaverse didn’t get the reception they hoped.

I think they take risks, just calculated ones. And sometimes… A founders ambition.

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What happens when or if a monarch refuses to rubber stamp?

It’s a network of social media, all using the same protocols, and each tends to have some focus: Canada, Australia, art, communism, and large numbers of members, for example.

I didn’t find federated social media to he hard to understand after the first hour or so. Is that weird?

Makes sense. No one is entitled to the labor of others.

Applies here, too.

If no one else is reading this, something is fishy with votes. No… not preoccupied with the vote. Preoccupied with what it may indicate. It is, as you’ve indicated, stale.

The last I read, the instance was already fully-funded through the end of the year.

Why is the notion that the instance is going under something lemmings keep bringing up? Yes… I understand the model. But it is fully funded - or was. Why are people acting like the instance is about to fail?

Should we start rumors that the instance is about the fail? Or… are recent facts useful, here?

Yes, there are other instances, but the preponderance of Sync users joined lemmy.world.

I was going a different route. You’ve only policed the topic in a specific direction (that I’ve seen).

You’re not obligated (and it would look Quixotic) to police every comment. But you sure took on a handful.

I haven’t seen that the mods care. I’ve seen that you do as do some others, but what I see is discussion branching from different elements of the original submission. Like what happens on threaded discussion boards.

Lemmy is for discussion, those will sometimes wind around in a stream of (group) consciousness way. I understand some optics issues with bringing up the app, but it was in the original submission. People on both “sides” took the mention of the app and commented completely divorced from the state aim of the post. While those that mentioned the app and were on topic - those you policed.

If the mods care to force narrow conversation, that’s up to them.

Is this a point about using the word, “branch.”

Or you pointing out that conversation organically drifts? Or something else?

This is what I see in Jerboa.

Is that not the first response to OP on this branch?

I get that cash is a hot topic, but leveraging off Sync (even if coded) makes Sync the topic.

For now, that’s a polarizing topic.

You realize this branch started with someone adding 0 content about supporting the server or lemmy?

They are both the submission. Unfortunately OP made sync’s cost part of the topic and the pivot point into a reasonable ask.

Headlines matter and cannot be completely separated from the entirety of the message.

Agree. The service needs money and if it’s used hours a week… it may deserve some monthly cash.

But spez. Spez had to spez. I try not to click reddit answers on Google now. Someone else can get that traffic/click.

No idea why you were downvoted. There’s two vertical periods that catch the eye. I wonder what those are, too.

Thank you for asking and a thoughtful response.

I’m (hopefully obviously) not opposed to supporting lemmy.world or the devs. I don’t expect free stuff.

I have run into more than a couple people who have needed to opine and troll because they have strong feeling about people enjoying Sync.

The lemmyverse has at least one starting point and maybe I’m still learning. What I see is a place begun in a somewhat communist, left leaning, pro-FOSS standpoint. I suspect that demographic is inclined to thought processes I can’t grok.

I understand class resentment (I do; I’m not wealthy (at all)). I understand fatigue with people geeking out over an app that underwhelms a person of other tastes (or means).

That said, I see your distinction. One of the virtues of lemmy is that it’s a loose federation. But people from a variety of servers have argued in poor faith (or just not seen what they’re doing).

I expect disagreement. It’s part of why I’m here: to hear well reasoned counter points and to learn. But it’s difficult to say lemmy.world has been happy about the newcomers. That I’ve seen anyhow.

If making the point that allies are being alienated in ways that matter to us all, helps make a point that we could be friends, then I’ll make that point.

I did end my subscribed support that would have outpaced my Sync spend within a year (you can math that). Lemmy, right now, has an unwelcoming vibe that’s not even a little background. It is foreground. And problematic if this experiment is going to work.

I happily supported the dev. Just as I had happily supported the server.

OP mentions sync, you mention sync, I mention sync (eww thats crass), you mention sync… first line comments mention sync in frustrated tones. Are you going to lecture them too?

I know the misrepresent-and-fatigue strategy of argumentation and I’m not going to play. I’ve seen it a surprising amount here on Lemmy and you’re doing it now.

If honesty or integrity don’t mean a lot to you, I’d recommend turning over the soap box.

On topic, again: you, along with others, have persuaded me to cease donations but I don’t retreat like you may hope.

This bastian of class resentment is going to have to adapt or close. If everyone here is what I’m seeing, I hope the person running the server has deep pockets. Or I guess everyone keeps instance hopping until everyone realizes it’s not sustainable and instances aren’t spun up.

I’m not wealthy, in the least, but I don’t expect things for free. Lemmy has taught me I should. I’ll apply that to the servers and development.

It’s not either or. But I have now stopped donating because y’all can’t get off this topic.

Hate the super-rich, not people with enough money left over at the month that they can afford a nicer way to interact with lemmy as intended - ad free.

That the server needs people with extra cash to support it is exceedingly valid. That’s why I had been donating until literally 10 minutes ago.

I’m not subsidizing people who feel entitled to: Free shit Using free shit to tell others how they should spend (Acting like my money is theirs)

It’s a simple boundaries issue that so many on Lemmy don’t seem to comprehend.

When I stopped my donation, there was “other” then a box to say why. I filled it in. It’s just one donation that stopped, but who knows, there could be more.