My guy, you’re the one getting all worked up here. I’m just providing thought out responses.

You’re proving my point. Everything you mentioned is Silicon Valley/Big Tech. The only place it’s being used is big tech. And yes, Linux does count. That’s fine, but it’s still nowhere near replacing Java.

My goal is to be out of software in under 20 years. It’s a soul sucking, terrible job that takes the life out of you. So it really doesn’t matter what you think is coming in the future. Java works 100% of the time for my use cases, and there will always be Java jobs available.

Also I’d kill to be an experienced COBAL dev. They can write their own checks doing 40hrs a week of barely anything at banks. It’d be the dream job.

I’m not a programmer for fun 99% of the time. I don’t care what’s “cool” or “hot” or “trending”. I care about what keeps me employed.

I’m sure not miserable writing Java code. I definitely am writing Python. So I really don’t care about your opinions. They’re not backed by anything but hurt feelings.

I genuinely could not give a shit about Rust. It doesn’t scare me, because just like COBAL, Java isn’t going anywhere. An IDE helps, but it’s no easier visually than checking if something is within a pair of brackets.

I’m not saying you can’t do it with Python, just that it gets exponentially more complicated as you do so. Just like you can build single purpose tiny applications in java, you can build massive ones in python.

Rust and Java aren’t competing outside of Silicon Valley and Big Tech, and even they often still use a significant amount Java in legacy tech. Rust still can’t replicate everything that libraries and plugins for Java can, it’s still not a fully mature development stack, it’s close, but it’s far from becoming the next java.

Java isn’t a perfect language, I never said it was. I’m standing by my comment that it’s better than 90% of the languages out there.

Ok, so now build an api that can handle 100k iops with a cache, db calls and everything else, and tell me how simple that is in Python.

Java and Python, like any programming languages don’t do everything well. They do a few things well, and most things adequately. Python is great for scripting and small applications, but once you’re hundreds of files into a corporate software project it becomes near unreadable. Java is great for large scale applications but suffers if you want to make a single purpose app.

I’d also argue that yes, the Java is more readable at scale. Everything is explicitly typed, braces are so much better than indents (is something 20 indents or 21 idents deep, I never know), semicolons are useful for delineating ends of statements.

It sounds like your only expose was Java in uni and have never worked with anything at scale.

And yet it’s still a better option than 90% of languages out there.

Trendy languages are great until they break something or lose support. Java is consistent, and that’s the most important part.

You sound like some Java dev personally offended you so much that you can’t separate the language from a person you hate for completely irrelevant reasons.

Like I said, I’ll take Java and extreme OOP over Python/Rust/Go any day of the week because it’s actually readable code instead of a clusterfuck of hundreds of methods in one file

Hello World is < 10 lines in Java. Just say you don’t know the language and go away.

Java runs the majority of corporate software out there, and it is very good at what it’s built for.

I’ll take Java over Python/Rust any day of the week

I find that Java is overly Verbose, but it’s much better than the alternative of underly verbose.

Java really follows the single class for single functionality principle, so in theory it makes sense to have these located in different classes. It should probably be abstracted to a shared method, but it shouldn’t be in the same file.

At least to me this looks like simplicity, but I’ve been writing Java in some capacity since 2012.

It seems to be more language focused than hard to PR against the main repo.

Java is much more widely known than Rust, which means a much larger pool of developers. I never contributed to the original Lemmy server because I couldn’t wrap my head around a full production scale rust project. I’ll very likely contribute to this because I work with production Java code daily. Im sure I’m not the only other dev who has run into this.

Also maybe there’s just too many disagreements with the Lemmy owners, who are a bit extreme for a lot of people.

That’s why I like Java too. The fact that it’s so strict means I have to think about projects in a certain way and can’t just wing my way through it like Python.

Legacy Java software is a massive pain in the ass. No arguments there. I’ve been migrating an app from Java 11->17 for the last 2 months and it’s a versioning mess. So many libraries deprecated and removed that don’t have easy replacements.

It’s great because things don’t break when they’re running, but the problem is upgrading.

Version management does seem to have become better with the last couple versions

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I tried to contribute to Lemmy, spent a few hours really confused by rust and gave up. I can meaningfully contribute to a Java/Spring project, not a rust one.

Lemmy search is hilariously bad. Discoverability is entirely shit here. It’s by sheer luck you find half of the communities

Until all the major anticheats can run on it I can’t consider it a functional gaming OS. If there are games that work on every other major gaming platform, except for Linux, then it’s not up to the same standard

I don’t like only browsing subscribed communities because otherwise I never see anything outside of a bubble. Also subscribing to big communities means I miss anything important in the small ones.

One of the biggest failings of the fediverse in my opinion is the complete lack of any kind of decent algorithm. People rallied so hard against them that we now have the opposite problem, discoverability is next to 0 on this platform. I love an algorithm that actually works and recommends what I want to see.

Now I get that it’s unpopular with the current user base, but I’m going to guess it’ll be a problem sooner or later when new users decide to go elsewhere because of algorithms.

My guy, you’re the one here trying to shove Linux down my throat on a completely unrelated comment. Sounds more like you’re projecting your problems on me.

Linux is not going to be the future. It’s great for a server os, but it’s still not a viable desktop os for the majority of user. Extreme power users love it because of the customization power, and users who only ever browse the web won’t notice a difference, but everyone in-between doesn’t. Not everyone is a power user, and not everyone wants to be a power user.

Or you can stop trying to force it onto people. Idgaf about your passion. I don’t want to hear about you being vegan and I really don’t care if you only use Linux.

It’s putting people off of joining the platform. I think that’s clear enough that it’s a problem

Ok, and?

I’m not interested in using Linux as a desktop OS. I’ve often made that clear, only to be met with “but have you tried this?”

It does the exact same thing as it does for vegans. Instead of bringing people to your cause you alienate them by constantly shoving it in their face.

My guy, you are literally proving my point. I mention one negative thing about Linux and here you are, attacking me for it

Not functioning for most modern games is not functioning. Who cares if it runs ancient games if I can’t play modern ones?

My most played games constantly have problems on Linux.

Apex Legends regularly falsely bans Linux players

iRacing isn’t Linux compatible, nor will it ever be

Destiny 2 won’t be compatible either