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Also people could be misled into thinking it’s a “free speech” platform (and end up attracting the people we really don’t want), or end up thinking it’s “complicated”, both of which would not be desirable.

Very true, ActivityPub is for building communities.

Nostr is for free speech and user choice but also sucks for building communities because the loudest and most mean people are the ones who dominate the space.

Don’t forget about the alt-right trolls and conspiracy theorists, they love it there because nobody can ban or censor them from there. On Nostr these people run wild.

There’s already some funky interoperability that comes from the underlying structure of communities kind of being user accounts, where mastodon users can follow Lemmy communities, and post to communities by mentioning them. But it’s not pretty.

If you put the mention at the top like Mastodon defaults it’ll look very messy on Lemmy because it will be trying to insert a MD link in the title field. If the mansion and hashtags are placed at the bottom of the post instead though, the post will appear fine on Lemmy.

There are a few guides on how to create posts that are compliant, Basically it’s like this:

[Title] separated by blank line [Body]

[Hashtags (optional)

[Community mention] *you can only mention one community and if you want the post to appear on Lemmy that Community should be the first mention. If you want to mention people on Mastodon their mentions must come after.

Biggest drawbacks currently are:

1. Title will be repeated in the body
2. Issues mentioning people in addition to the community, also can’t post to multiple communities at once.

It seems like it because there was an attempt to favor Kbin during Reddit migration (Also the guy running Feditips tried to poison the narrative against Lemmy) but it didn’t go through because kbin kept breaking, especially with federation and moderation.

Yeah but have it be a feature of Lemmy itself and have it automatically look for communities and subscribe to ones that have a discovery setting enabled.

Thing is, it’s not in the mods or admins’ best interest to leave it up in the name of “user choice” and “free speech”, these platforms host the content on them and the people hosting it are liable for it, plus making people be able to opt-out of moderation actions would attract unwanted people to the community, the kind of people who would seek that violating content and interact only with that.

Lemmy is NOT a “free speech” or “user choice”, nor are the majority of fediverse platforms. I think that’s one of the biggest misconceptions when it comes to the fediverse, it’s that people think it’s that. Really Federation is ultimately the same as a centralized site, that is self hostable, but with the added benefit of these different self-hosted sites communicating and cross-posting to each other. While this would be considered decentralized at the end of the day the site owners are the ones calling the shots, the can delete anything they want, ban anyone they want, or sever connections to servers if they want. They are within their right because they own the site and pay hosting and/or maintain the servers. Why should they put themselves at risk for the sake of “user choice” or “free speech” when they don’t owe you the user anything?

With Nostr it’s different because operators can purge whatever data they want off a relay, but your account isn’t bound to a relay and information doesn’t need to be copied to every relay like with Fediverse’s ActivityPub. It offers the “user choice” and “free speech” experience by cryptographically isolating the user from the relays and by using them as… well… relays instead of instances.

In short the reason they don’t do it is because the way the Fediverse is built isn’t really suited for it, due to both liability, and the function.

One could make a tool like Reveddit or Unddit for Lemmy though that fetches the removed comments from the modlog and puts them back in the thread, but that wouldn’t be like bypassing or disabling moderation.

I’m not a fan of the misskey forks because most of them are very buggy and have very bloated UIs. I tried Iceshrimp and hajkey and both were terribly buggy. Sharkey was okay but still very buggy, biggest issue by far is the fact that follow attempts typically hang for long amounts of time if they even go through at all. Not sure if it’s a frontend issue though or an issue with the software itself, I tried Sharkey’s Mastodon API to use the Mastodon app and it seems to work okay there. I still wouldn’t trust it over mastodon which is much more polished and stable.

There are some cool features in it like the cat ears, the gallery, and very robust theming elements, but ultimately stability and usability come first for social platforms I’m going to use seriously

Nostr is what you’re looking for. People who hate mods, defederation, and want a free speech chamber, look no further. You can host your own relay if you want but it doesn’t make very much of a difference since accounts are independent from servers.

Just be aware that most people dislike this undermoderated enviornment due to how toxic it can get, but it seems like that’s what you’re looking for so I don’t think it’ll be that much of an issue for you.

Yeah there’s a tool called LCB (Lemmy Community Boost but it’s not a perfect solution to this issue. A good idea would be to have something like that built right into Lemmy, where instances can have an internal account that will look for and subscribe to communities which opt into discovery.

Soemthing like how the join-lemmy site works where it finds instances, but for communities. Obviously this would need to be enabled and allowed by instance moderators, smaller instances and personal ones with limited space probably don’t want to pull from every community in the fediverse, but for larger ones, such a feature would be greatly beneficial.

You can pull posts and comments into an instance by searching their original link in the search bar. It’s a bit clunky and doesn’t transfer vote counts but it works.

I do hope it’s fixed in the future since it is annoying, though since all the APub services have this issue, even the very polished ones it might be a while.

They could, just as the alt-right troll instances did the exact same thing with ActivityPub proxy and ActivityPub-troll the difference though is that if we federate we hand them that data on a silver platter and invite them in. If they scrape or circumvent they’re getting it underhanded.

It’s the difference between being invited in, or walking in uninvited or worse, after being told no.

I already see myself setting up my own instances so I can rest in peace from the bullshit that’s repeated on here. Might implement my own regex filter just to block out this bullshit.

Just to be clear if you do engage in trolling or bad behavior they may block your insurances as well. Not necessarily saying that you will but I know that some have tried. Yes there are tools that let you bypass the federation or you can just get new domains but that’s called circumvention and could be considered a cyber attack.

Edit: just scrolled 3 other posts preemptively hating for nonsense. Im just gonna leave this shithole altogether. Bye guys!

Great, if ActivityPub isn’t working out for you and you can’t stand defederation then there’s the door.

Did you even check what those servers are? Because blocking spam servers is hardly what I would call knee-jerk defederation, but lots of users here are angry at the very idea of defederation because they were led astray and told that federation is something different than what it actually is (they think that it’s an open and free platform with no curation or moderation on what servers they’re allowed to access).

Nope Lemmy’s blocking system is cosmetic only. It’s very much useless against defending from real malicious users. I assume the purpose it was built for was under the assumption that it was going to be used exclusively by easily offended snowflakes, which is backed up by the way that most users treat a person’s claims regarding a malicious user or malicious instance.

They won’t see any communities from the server they block. Users are not blocked in domain blocking.

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

Not yet anyway. I wouldn’t expect that to stay the same forever though. Especially considering the amount of spam that’s already on Facebook.

Facebook does not have good very good moderation on their platforms (it’s only good enough to keep up their image in the public eye), and I don’t think threads will be an exception to that.

I feel like it’ll probably be one of the bigger sources of spam and hate speech on the Fediverse, at least for servers that don’t block it.

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

So yes but not exactly. It’s not as effective as you would think that an instance block would be if it doesn’t block the users. That’s not even addressing the fact that Lemmy’s blocking isn’t even really blocking it’s more along the lines of muting, it’s just named blocking.

Well on Lemmy it’s fake control considering this system wasn’t really designed to safeguard against malicious actors but rather to stop snowflakes from being offended.

Also the instance blocking feature doesn’t even block users, which you and everyone else suggesting people use it would know if you even read the changelog for 0.19 and saw this little qualifier right here:

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

If you want real control yourself what you need is your own Lemmy instance, or to co-operate a Lemmy instance with somebody else.

No offense but Kbin users have a lot more to worry about than the threads issue, considering the amount of development and moderation problems that plague kbin to this day.