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Great! Sail bravely, for we’re heading into the exciting waters of the future!

Rarr!

There is a demand, and there is a supply. Decentralization trends lead more and more people to self-host, and you can’t get around it any other way.

But also self-hosted (the central server, i.e. “lighthouse”) and open-source

Best option IMO.

Would allow this beautiful place to grow and fill up with wonderful people and content, and at the same time newbies will have time to accomodate for Lemmy ethos and customs, forming a healthy and wonderful community.

In case you’re not joking, this thread is about Fediverse software fighting to be #1. First is Mastodon (all known instances of it), second is Lemmy (all known instances of it), etc. etc.

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Does it say anything anywhere about big instances? I’m confused.

There’s nothing wrong with the people.

There is a lot wrong with Meta.

Single-user effort will only get you so far; blocking Threads individually will break user experience (as most interactions, not just posts, will originate from Threads), and embracing Threads will inevitably lead to downturn in Fedi-native communities, further drying what just began to grow.

I can block content from Threads, but I cannot block the influence Threads exert on fedi. This is why servers need to defederate - to protect and preserve the community from any influence Zuck can singlehandedly exert.

At the same time, I welcome all Threads users to register on Mastodon and become Fedi natives. This would be the best outcome possible.

Nope, I said Facebook is an enemy of freedom. And that doesn’t mean their primary goal is to strip it away, it means the way they operate goes against freedom and they don’t mind it.

If tomorrow aliens will militarily invade in search for resources, and will entirely disregard any human pain and suffering along the way as they destroy everything and everyone, will they stop being enemies of humanity simply due to the fact they’re not here for genocide per se?

I never implied there’s an evil master plan behind it.

I implied that when greed prevails, any other consideration, freedom included, get bulldozed. And at that point you can safely assume they are enemy of freedom - they don’t have to promote authoritarianism, it’s enough for them to benefit from a system that strips us from our freedoms, and happily keep operating.

This is not means for control seizure; in fact, barely any Lemmy admins can afford to exercise their powers against users, as everyone can effortlessly move to another instance.

This is a matter of protection, and you can’t fight Meta without it.

It’s like doing nothing with wolves attacking sheep, because “if you attack wolves, you won’t be that different from them”. No, you would be. We should do it and we have users’ support - and the best admins can do is open a vote, which was conducted on many instances (and had pretty much one outcome: defederate).

It only relates to Threads, exactly becaise they are an enemy of freedom.

Just as you can’t afford to tolerate intolerance, you shouldn’t give freedom to thos who want to strip it away from you.

There’s nothing of elitism in that.

Some instances will inevitably choose to federate, and that might be good, as a fedi gateway to the place.

The point is to save the rest of Fediverse from harm Meta can cause us.

Well, first off - protect yourself, and then manage the rest. I welcome the noble goal of enforcement and policies and education, but it will always be like cathing a slinky.

We should be very vigilant with their presence here, and in this case, we should certainly close off.

When you fuck over people with their freedoms, you don’t deserve the freedom to be extended to you.

It’s the same as paradox of tolerance. You shouldn’t be tolerant to intolerance, and you shouldn’t give freedom to those who want to strip it away from you.

That’s like freedom 101.

That’s the only way to do it with minimal damage.

Defederating after this happens will cause a giant strain on the Fediverse and will simply accelerate the problems for which we don’t want Meta here in the first place.

We certainly should keep corps at a 1km pole from here.

They come and ruin everything they tough in the name of profit. Can they force their way? Partially, maybe, in some ways. But if we welcome them with open doors, it will get way worse. The last thing we should do is give up and say “they’ll get their dirty hands into this anyway”.

Let’s keep this place tidy of bullshit, pretty please.

People are concerned because there were examples of such things going horribly wrong, most notably with Google and XMPP.

Way back in the day, Google announced that its Talk messenger will support XMPP, which made decentralization fans very happy - finally, they can communicate with everyone from the comfort of their decentralized instance!..oh.

Google started implementing features in Talk that are incompatible with XMPP, and then dropped XMPP support altogether, ending up deprecating Talk in favor of Google-only Hangouts. This forced many XMPP users to get into Google’s ecosystem, since the people they contacted through XMPP were mostly just using Google Talk, and they couldn’t be contacted through XMPP any more. As a result, XMPP became worse off than it started and got practically forgotten by all but 1,5 nerds who keep it alive.

now most of their contacts were in defederated Google to which they now didn’t have access.

How do you jump from “searching for pedo friendly communities” to “looking to get off”?

Imagine being a gay in a country where you’ll be in real danger if you’ll ever mention it. Would you like to have someone at least online to talk about how you feel? Probably yes. Same idea. It’s hard to hold up things that big throughout life, as just about any closeted LGBT+ person will tell you.

And then with any attraction that is actually dangerous and also illegal when acted on, like, well, pedophilia, or zoophilia, or biastophilia, or God knows what, there will always be people in doubt on whether they should go for it or not. And a community of people with the same issue telling them “we know how you feel, but CERTAINLY NO” would be way more productive than randoms on the Internet shaming them and putting them into the same bin as actual rapists.

Of course, most of them will probably never offend regardless. But people in doubt, as well as people in mental distress, are to always keep in mind. And if you ignore them, you get more child abuse, more suicides, and more pain and suffering in the world.