Schadrach

At one point, “cheese pizza” was a term they apparently used on YouTube videos etc due to it having the same abbreviation as CP (Child Pornography).

This in turn was why the Podesta emails led to the whole pizza gate thing - there were a bunch of emails with weird phrasings like going to do cheese pizza for a couple of hours that just aren’t how people talk or write and so internet weirdos thought it was pedo code and then it kinda went insane from there.

So, companies will create Threads accounts and use them to post ads as regular Threads posts, then? Because that’s what the block button is for.

There’s also nothing that stops any company from doing exactly this in any instance that currently exists, including spinning up their own instance.

If we’re talking ads that Threads will be inserting into the feeds on their site, what does it matter? Either they are a user making a regular post treated like any other user or they are something that Threads can only push on their own site.

but it will be a sanitised corporate safe space for advertisers

Posts on threads might be, but they can’t force their standards onto posts or users on other servers. That’s kinda the point of federation.

So, posts from Threads users will have to meet Threads “safe space” rules (because they are Threads users and Threads can require whatever it wants of them), but this means nothing for your posts on any other server. Worst case, Threads blocks you from visibility on Threads.

and ads sprinkled throughout.

Threads has no power to push their ads onto any federated server. They can show whatever ads they want on Threads, but those ads don’t appear to anyone else and likewise they couldn’t do anything to artificially make their content show up higher on any other server.

Alright, fair enough, but why would anyone allow meta even an inch of space into a ‘free’ platform?

It’s an open protocol, they can join if they want. That’s kinda the point of being an open protocol, anyone willing to implement it just can.

I imagine that if tomorrow Meta decides to run a free email service ala Hotmail or Gmail you’d be demanding that they will destroy email everywhere if they aren’t put on every black hole list immediately?

threatening to harvest our conversations without our fucking permission,

Public posts on social media are well public. There’s literally nothing that stops them from reading your posts without federation, and federation does very little to change that in a meaningful way.

or using Microsoft’s tactic of “embrace and extend” to destroy the competition

By what, adding features to Threads that make users prefer it over other ActivityPub implementations? The worst case here is that Meta federates, then does something that breaks federation and their users don’t jump ship to another instance but stick with the Meta product?

Anyone can implement ActivityPub. We have no problem with that.

So long as they aren’t a giant corp you personally see as especially evil, then if they implement ActivityPub they need to be blocked as globally as possible?

I find it bizarre you think the mere possibility of users from a big corporate service being able to communicate with the fediverse is akin to wolves attacking sheep.

If you really need your echo chamber to be free of people who use Meta servers, you could just block them as a user without mandating everyone else do so too.

That’s a terrible analogy. That’s like saying that Google running an email service ruined your email and the only solution is for everyone to block all emails from accounts hosted by Google.

Threads federation doesn’t change anything about the rest of Lemmy or Mastodon.

The absolute worst case is that it brings a ton more users into the fold, eternal September style.

Hypothetically it does, they just don’t block any instances, so it’s empty. They are unlikely to start outside of extreme circumstances.

Likewise for their Mastodon instance, which has been around for a long while.