When you cut off a cancer, it dies. When you defederate a social network orders of magnitude larger and more powerful than you… it doesn’t even notice and continues to thrive.

This isn’t going to harm Threads or protect Lemmy.ml.

Just because they won’t use Mastodon now, doesn’t mean they never will in the future. Especially when (not if) Mastodon sorts out some of their usability issues around signup and interacting with posts from other instances.

It would be nice to give them the option.

Yes, they mean that one.

Comparing Signal to the fediverse is pretty silly. That’s like comparing fire to water. Signal is all about private messaging and the fediverse is all about public messaging.

If someone is one of the best engineers at facebook, they can get a work visa somewhere else.

Threads already has over 30 million daily active users and growing fast - I’m tipping it will be over a billion in a year or two.

The fediverse has 2 million monthly active users. Sorry, but we’ve already lost the content battle. Like it or not, Threads is king king and Lemmy/Mastodon are ants.

Regarding “two taps and you’re signed up”… that’s just never going to happen. If anything, it probably needs to be a bit harder to sign up. We don’t want people using throwaway accounts.

Meta has practically unlimited resources. They will make access to the fediverse fast with their top tier servers.

They absolutely have limits. For example Threads isn’t in the EU yet, because of strict controls that severely limit what Meta can do.

As per my understanding this will make small instances less desirable to the common user.

Small instances are already undesirable to the general public and always will be.

Meta can and will unethically defedrate from instances which are a theat to them.

No they can’t. The EU will only allow them to “ethically” defederate.

When majority of the content is on the Meta servers they can and will provide fast access to it and unethically slow down access to the content from outside instances. This will be noticeable but cannot be proved

If Threads is slow, people will switch to another service that is fast.

This is just what i could think of, there are many more ways to be evil. Meta has the best engineers in the world who will figure out more discrete and impactful ways to harm the small instances.

If they ask their best engineers to do something evil, most of them will quit. Why work for an evil corp when you can work almost anywhere you want?

Also they don’t have the best in the world - those already left (or refused to work there in the first place).

Privacy: I know they can scrape data from the fediverse right now. That’s not a problem. The problem comes when they launch their own Android / iOS app and collect data about my search and what kind of Camel milk I like.

At least on iOS, that type of cross app tracking doesn’t work anymore (unless the user opts into it, which nobody ever does). Apple’s change to how tracking works is costing Meta billions of dollars… and protecting the privacy of about a billion people. Yay Apple.

But more to the point, people who are worried about privacy will only install Threads if it’s the only way to reach thier friends/family. Since Threads will be federated, they won’t ahve that reason.

I have Facebook and Facebook Messenger on my phone and once Threads is federated I will be enouraging all my friends to sign up for Threads, so I can reach them. If my Mastodon instance defederates Threads, I’ll be leaving that instance (Lemmy, on the other hand, I might not care so much).

My thoughts: I think building our own userbase is better than federating with an evil corp.

Better in what way? One of my metrics is being able to contact people who will not sign up for Mastodon.

I love the fediverse specifically because it allows me to reach people on other instances. Defederating should be limited to harmful content (and I don’t see any evidence of harm in Thread).

We couldn’t get the people to use Signal. This is our chance to make a change.

Even I won’t use Signal. Talk to me when I can install it on both my phones, instead of just one of them (using the same account on both phones).

Finishing on a more positive note - Threads is going to be full of ads. I think a lot of people won’t be OK with that… and if threads is federated, then people will sign up for small instances like this one. I think we’ll be fine.

… running a crawler would be far easier than running the largest instance in the fediverse …

Isn’t all of that already available to Meta (and anyone else) via the web UI anyway? They don’t need to be federated for that, they can just use a web crawler. And I assume they are.

Frankly, there are other instances out there that I’m more worried about than Threads.

There definitely were good bots on Reddit - they were just drowned out by a million shitty ones.