Derin

But what happens if you don’t use an IDE? That was the original point. Even if it isn’t statically typed, a python IDE can also do its best to guess the type of an object.

The point is to have code that’s legible without dependence on large, third party tools.

True true!

Yep, I was specifically talking about C#'s implementation.

I worked with some large C# code bases, and you could always see the point in time in which an individual developer would finally get comfortable with var - it’s when the code would start getting unreadable. 🤣

Nope, was added to dot Net after the fact. Normally you declare each type by hand, e.g.

ArrayList myCoolList = new ArrayList();

vs

var myCoolList = new ArrayList();

The second example is why the keyword was added, but now imagine you have a function call returning an unknown type, and then things will start to get super funky.

E.g.

var myCoolBook = BuildBookData(input);

…one step forward and then the same step back 😂 (disclaimer: I do actually like C#, though)

Just you wait until your developers learn about the var keyword - it’s going to be Python 2.7 PTSD incidents all over again 😂

Larger, modern python projects always use type hints, for this specific reason.

In the past you had PyDoc, which also scratched that itch.

Barring that, contributing to a python project is very difficult without an IDE that performs type checks for you (which is unreliable).

What’s annoying about it? Deploying a war to tomcat is one of the easiest things one can do.

Cheers

HOA? CW?

What?

I understand that end to end encryption of messages alone is not good enough… For you.

The current landscape is very exciting, and I see matrix taking the correct steps in the correct direction. I don’t see that with Signal.

Signal’s core design isn’t great for me, bordering unusable. It’s peer to peer - I want the security of a server (my server) managing my shit.

As an aside: If I have one more person message me asking what happened to their signal messages, after reading a post from someone online and switching to signal for a while, I’m going to lose it. It’s a platform the prefers security over usability.

On matrix I get a new device, log in, authenticate the new session from my old one, and watch as my content comes back. That’s it right there. That’s the magic I want.

What I don’t want is “got a new device, don’t have recovery keys? Fuck you.”

Your desire of a secure, decentralized encrypted messaging system is shared by me, I’m just not going to trash a system that does the majority of what I want over minor concerns regarding metadata.

And the alternatives you’re touting apply to you, a person whose needs are different from mine. They are unusable to me.

I hope my tone wasn’t too incendiary, I’m trying to make the point that our needs are different, not that either of us is invalid.

Honestly I feel like XMPP handles the majority of what you want, why not just use that?

I don’t think you understand why current servers operate the way they do.

Matrix server implementations function on the idea that your data lives in the server, so of course it needs that information (who is here, who is talking to whom) - or else, as an example, if you lost your devices you wouldn’t be able to recover your info (like on Signal).

I don’t want Signal’s Peer-to-Peer solution. I own my server, so I’m okay with keeping my own metadata. I want my communications with others to be encrypted, but recoverable if I lose access to my devices.

I think what you want is a Peer to Peer encrypted solution, which Matrix is working on, but isn’t available yet.

Follow this site for info on Matrix’s progress in that space: https://arewep2pyet.com/ What you’re looking for is info on Pinecone.

TLDR: poop wants a peer-to-peer encrypted network, Matrix is not that (yet).

Further reading:

Matrix’s architecture today means that the servers can see who their users are talking to, and when - but not what (assuming it’s end-to-end encrypted). Just like a PGP mail service like Protonmail. Because Matrix stores conversation history on the server (unlike Signal) so you can get at it when from multiple logins, you end up with that metadata stored on the server.

We’re fixing this by working on P2P Matrix (as per the blog post - it’s one of the main initiatives that the funding is going towards). https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix explains how P2P addresses the metadata problem.

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Beeper is just matrix with a bunch of preconfigured bridges for you. I’ve deployed a few of their bridges (as they’re open source) for my own matrix server and can confirm they work perfectly.

Haven’t had whatsapp installed on my phone for over 2 years. I even support the devs via github sponsors, I’m that happy with their bridges.

If you’re not technical but want the benefits of bridging other networks into Matrix, Beeper is a great choice.