Going around asking people who criticize a nation state whether they are also racist is similarly bad faith.

For the last time, it is not clear to me that the guy saying “fuck Israel” is only criticising the government, even with the accompanying context. This is what I’ve been trying to tell you. It seems clear to everybody else here. Fine.

There are plenty of people blaming Israel and Israelis for what is happening in Gaza. If this guy is one of them, I want to know. Not because I wish to insult him or see him banned, but because I want to better understand him. And he still hasn’t answered for himself. His is still the only answer I will accept. I should never have even responded to the other answers. I regret that I did.

Until I hear back from that guy, I’m done with this whole thing.

You mean even if the motion passed, there wouldn’t have been a Citizen’s Assembly?

er… what, did they call it a motion? The thing they just voted on. To form a Citizen’s Assembly on Electoral Reform. Some Libs and Tories actually did vote for it. In fact, my MP, Ben Lobb (Con), voted for it. Good for that guy. I am actually considering voting for him next election because of this, even though I really don’t agree with the rest of the Conservatives.

Oh, so, there have been instances of hatred toward Israeli citizens that have been removed by mods? Were these incidents also fabricated? Seems like you have actually proven the existence of these people for me.

This actually has been interesting, and I wish we could have had the same conversation without all of your insults, condescension, and histrionics, but I have had enough of it. Please do not send any further replies.

Fuck the Israeli government.

Wow, even if the Liberal MP in question voted for this bill? I could understand that though.

OK, for real, though, what if you’re wrong about me? Sure there are trolls using the JAQ play, but then there are people who are actually legitimately just asking questions. That’s the whole reason trolls even use this tactic. Because people like you mistake people like me for trolls, effectively increasing the number of trolls.

Look, man, I already said exactly why I asked the question. What more do you want from me? I did not post in bad faith. Maybe “Fuck Israel.” was clear to you. Fine. It was not clear to me. Jesus.

You have come to the wrong conclusion about me. It is disappointing. I was actually trying to figure out whether they guy saying “Fuck Israel” was including Israelis in that. This does happen, like a lot.

But in any case, I would say you still haven’t answered the question. When you dunk on trolls in real life, are you the same level of insulting and condescending? That is what I am asking. I’m not asking about what you are doing. I am asking about how you are doing it. You really are being needlessly rude. It is very offputting.

You did not use the word stupid, but you did call me stupid. You said I did not understand basic English.

So, are you like this in person?

Removed by mod

I meant do you call perfect strangers stupid, then say things like

Aww poor dear feels attacked. Don’t worry honey🫂

It’s ok sweetheart.

Are you like this in person?

Also, I don’t think that is the clear context. I’ve talked to way too many people online who actually do hate Israel, its people, and its government. I actually legitimately do not know which group the guy saying “Fuck Israel” belongs to. So, I’m trying to find out before jumping to conclusions.

And in this context, “state” and “government” are synonymous?

Hm. That is actually a pretty cool website. I’ve been looking for an alternative to google translate. The Wiktionary can be a little tedious at times.

But how would I use this to prove that “state” and “government” are generally synonymous in most practical contexts?

Is this what you are like in person?

Well, I guess the NDP do win seats sometimes. What about the Liberal and Conservative MPs who did vote for this bill? Would you vote for them, or are they too tainted by the parties they are affiliated with?

ad hominem

Whether “state” includes the people is ambiguous.

So, the government, then?