I’ve seen the controversy where lemmy.world defederated from 2 piracy instances.

No they didn’t. They blocked 3 communities from 2 different instances. All other communities on those instances are available to .world users and .world is still available to all users on those two instances.

Blocking individual communities is not the same thing as defederating from those instances.

If someone posts from Mastodon to Lemmy, then yeah, that content is now part of Lemmy.

Don’t know about the other 2 but .world has been enduring an on/off ddos attack for over a week, then yesterday had a non ddos related db issue.

You really just aren’t interested in boxing with anything but your own shadow, huh?

By quoting exactly what you said and exactly what I said I’m shadow boxing? OK.

You’ve got all these assertions and things I’ve tasked you with doing, yet I never did and clearly indicated so in my previous post.

So you didn’t ask me to justify OP’s post? And you didn’t expect a response from me when you talked about FOSS purists lecturing Sync users? If not, why on Earth did you even mention it?

If you can just make it look like I said that stuff. Right?

The trouble is, you did say that stuff. I’ve quoted you (and myself) directly. Now, if I’ve misunderstood either your words or the intent of your words, feel free to explain to me exactly where I’ve gone wrong and if I am wrong, I’ll gladly and happily apologise.

I’ve also directly answered your request about the usage of the word ‘infantile’ but I see you’ve chosen to not see that. I can understand that.

Let me make a list of things that would be “stupid” to take from this.

That you are answerable for what others have said.

Then why did you ask me to justify OP’s post?

That you are among those that were prodding Sync users.

Then why did you try and make me answerable for what other people were saying?

Not whatever the fuck direction that was that you just tried to take it in.

It’s pretty simple. You said:

“because of the sync mention by the OP, there is a preponderance of lecturing coming from the FOSS purist community. It is infantile to expect no response to that”

And clearly expected me to have some sort of ownership of, or participation in, that lecturing. I then pointed out to you that I didn’t believe I had either but if you could find an example of me doing so I’d be happy to talk about it.

Feel free to tell me why my paraphrasing was inaccurate

Because it’s not what I said. I said:

“You’re absolutely correct. Anyone can enjoy any app they like and either pay for it or not…But coming into a thread about ways to ensure Lemmy gets the support it needs to develop and instances get the support they need to keep going to tell everyone how much you love your app is infantile.”

I’m not sure saying someone(s) coming into a thread which is nothing to do with Sync as a piece of software and proceeding to hijack it to be about Sync is infantile behaviour is directly equivalent to ‘standing up for yourself is infantile’. They weren’t standing up for themselves, they’d made an error in understanding what the thread was about and when informed what it was about got annoyed and asked why they ‘couldn’t just use what we want’ or ‘why do you care?’ when as far as I can tell nobody (certainly not me) told them they couldn’t use whatever app they wanted to, its simply not what this thread was about.

I have to assume you’re referring to things I’ve said as it would be pretty stupid to expect me to be answerable for things other people have said.

So, you let me know where I’ve made any comments in the entire thread that are based on Sync being a for-profit app and my lectures about the desirability of FOSS purism and I’ll be happy to talk about them.

Here’s what OP said:

“With all this talk about Sync pricing…I think now is a great time to remind everyone, like sync’s developer, Lemmy’s developers need to be paid too! The amount of time all the devs put into making lemmy exist, in my opinion, should be worth some of your money. If you can afford it, donating to the people who develop lemmy and/or the people keeping your home instance up will accelerate the incredible growth of lemmy!”

How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that that is in any way calling Sync users out?

‘policed’ - lol :)

I genuinely don’t give a shit about what app anybody uses. I’m not anti or pro any particular app. Feel free to go through my comment history and you’ll see mention of Sync in this and only this thread. Why?

Because a) I don’t give a shit what app people use and b) this isn’t a thread about Sync. The fact that the word ‘Sync’ appears in the title and body is used in an illustrative way to highlight the fact that Lemmy as a piece of software was developed by two guys who were given a grant. It needs funding via donations. Instance owners also need funding via donations. If these two things don’t happen Lemmy goes away. That’s the point of this thread, irregardless of what language or words were used. I’m not OP so I can’t say why they chose to use Sync as an example.

When Sync users jump in to tell everyone how much they love Sync, that detracts from the point of the thread. It dillutes it and all of a sudden everyone’s talking about Sync, not what the thread subject is about. OP and a couple others tried to go through this thread telling Sync posters that that wasn’t the point of thread. Then Sync posters got annoyed and we started getting the ‘I just want to use Sync’, ‘why do you care?’ comments. So we responded to those too.

Mods are only going to step in if a thread gets nasty, which it hasn’t. It’s just very very frustrating to see a thread hijacked by people who want to talk about how great an app is in a thread designed to draw attention to the fact that Lemmy as a piece of software and instance owners - both of which any app absolutely requires in order to function - need support.

If you or anyone else wants to talk about Sync in a positive or negative way then I’m sure there are communities you can do that in. There’s absolutely no need to enshittify a thread that has absolutely no bearing on Sync (or any other app) as a piece of software, especially when that thread discusses a subject as absolutely vital to the continued existence, growth and maturation of Lemmy as this.

It’s point about the fact that comments on a post are all part of the topic of that post and using the word ‘branch’ to try and infer that this is somehow a whole new subject under discussion is daft. Why do you think so many communities have ‘stay on topic’ as one of their rules?

Please see my previous response.

Y’know, most people are capable of nuance and ascertaining meaning from context.

I’m not sure if this is your first time using threaded conversation based software but that’s really not how a thread works.

I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not being evasive or dismissive, I genuinely have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.

That grant is coming to an end, if it hasn’t already.

You’re absolutely correct. Anyone can enjoy any app they like and either pay for it or not.

But coming into a thread about ways to ensure Lemmy gets the support it needs to develop and instances get the support they need to keep going to tell everyone how much you love your app is infantile.

If you want to use Sync, be my guest, I’m glad you’ve found an app you like. I genuinely don’t care what app anyone uses. Also, if you want to share your love of an app with others, feel free to do that too.

But - and try to hear this - hijacking a thread which is about making sure Lemmy gets developed (without which your app won’t work) and supporting instances (without which your app won’t work) to say how much you love your app is beyond crass.

It is absolutely blowing my mind how insular some people are. ‘just let me use Sync’, ‘I just want to access Lemmy in my favourite app’, ‘who asked you for your opinion?’

It’s like they don’t know that the API their app accesses was built by a couple of guys or that the data their app consumes is paid for by people running that software. And then they get uppity when you point out to them that maybe a thread pointing out it might be a good idea to support those people isn’t the place for them to tell everyone how much they love Sync.

For me, the fuss, in this thread is about Sync users inexplicable need to jump into a thread about supporting Lemmy development and keeping instances afloat with comments about how much they love Sync.

Which would be massively relevant if I was talking about ‘everything’. I’m talking about this post, so it’s not.

True, drama hits everywhere, but it can easily be avoided in a post about the importance of supporting lemmy development and instance sustainability by not going on that post to comment how much you personally love a for-profit app. Or any app in fact.