One account that just does everything.

And to do this it introduces yet-another non-documented, non-specified, non-ActivityPub compliant API to make the lives of client developers even more difficult.

My thesis is that content is king. There is a good number of people who are on Reddit not because it’s their favorite platform, but because they can’t find the content elsewhere.

If we mirror the content on Lemmy, then Lemmy will have the same content as Reddit, then the “lack of content elsewhere” stops being a problem, and then these people will be “free agents”.

If we have content here, the “problems” of Lemmy are not going to be seen in such a bad light. Conversely, if Reddit does not have exclusivity of the content, people are not going to feel the need to put up with all their crap.

Having a “two-way” bridge is not necessarily bad, but the more we have people saying "look, someone responded on , to respond, signup via " it will start creating a situation where people will be realize that they can choose between:

• staying on reddit, to see reddit content, deal with Reddit management and being periodically pointed to more content on Lemmy.
• create an account on Lemmy, see all of the content from Reddit + Lemmy, free from Reddit management.

I am treating those in the “I will be annoyed by a bot asking me to migrate” as “people who are loyal to Reddit and not willing to move away”, so the sooner they block the bridge, the better for everyone. But again, my thesis is that these people are not so numerous as the ones that will just move to the platform that provides them the most content.

since the need for DM’s would be relatively niche

Do you think so? I’d personally would prefer to not have any comments in the public threads. So, I’d like my comments to be sent as DMs to the OP just to let them know about the conversation on Lemmy and to encourage them to signup here. Don’t forget that the main goal is to make it easy for people to migrate away from Reddit. If we just implement a two-way bridge, we’d be effectively giving no incentive for Redditors to move out.

I will be honest with you, I haven’t put much work on Fediverser since December for two reasons:

• I haven’t come up with a design that is simple enough for the Lemmy users to indicate how they want their message replicated to Reddit (i.e, should the response be sent as a comment, as a DM, none at all?)

• Time taken by job search and building more stuff in Communick to try to generate income. I applied to NLNet for a grant for Fediverser, and it’s being evaluated. If I get it, then I’ll be able to focus again on it, but if not I will be even more pressured to find some other way to make money.

We can turn the mirror into a bridge, and make the conversation two-way. And even if we didn’t, you can take part anyway because there will be (hopefully) an increasing number of people there who are actually native to Lemmy.

The thing is that fediverser (my project for mirroring content and to help people migrate) can work transparently with the actual Lemmy community. No need to create separate communities and then getting people to subscribe to two separate things.

I don’t know how the matrix model works to be honest, but I think it’s a totally different use case.

What do you think about the idea of having the fediverser bots mirroring the subreddit content into the lemmy community? It would help both to bootstrap the lemmy community and also showcase the migration tool.

No. A better analogy would be like phone number portability. You can “own” your number, and if you want to change your company you can take the number with you.

just because i understood doesn’t mean anyone else would.

Then it’s on me to adjust my language to the different audience.

Look, you made a request and I already denied it. If you are more concerned with the form over the content of the discussion, please find someone else to pester. I really don’t respond well to this hallway monitor attitude. It’s this type of tone policing that sometimes makes a normal conversation impossible.

Portable ActivityPub objects with server-independent IDs

Yeah, totally. My name is Raphael and I people keep confusing me with the Ninja turtle…

I don’t want to waste any more time with this ridiculous argument. This is unbelievably boring. If you understand what I mean, then the communication was successful. Instead of nitpicking over the terminology, I would appreciate if you responded instead with something pertinent to the discussion.

I mean as a non-admin. Users on Mastodon are at the mercy of the instance owner. On Bluesky (and nostr) they are not.

I didn’t know that I had to power of changing the nature of things and their abilities just because of the name being used.

Worrying about the name is the same as saying “we shouldn’t make a distinction between mobile apps and web browsers because they both use HTTP”.

Why bother with BlueSky over Mastodon?

Bluesky’s model of federation fixes the whole “if my instance goes down I lose everything”.

Your Identity and your data is portable, which means that each server on Bluesky is “merely” a service provider.

But the protocol is the least important thing, it’s the applications that come out of it.

Granted, I think it would be an improvement if we didn’t have to care or think about what server you are using and people could keep their same identity regardless of the application they are using.

Yeah, it would be nice if I could keep my “communick.com” handle everywhere, but my usage and conversations on Lemmy are different from when I am on Mastodon. The audiences are different. It’s a good example of The medium is the message.

I don’t see it as “telling people how to use it”. What I wonder is how would people react differently if those were not really bots but just the people from Reddit actually moving over here. Would they keep complaining about people “flooding” or would they just accept that curating and filtering is indeed part of the toolbelt and should be used for this.

It’s more or less the same people that complain about the bridges “because of privacy”, but would be better off if they understood that using a “public social network” and keep expecting “privacy” is just the wrong tool for the job. If someone is using a system in a way that is not aligned with its intended design, there is no point in complaining about others breaking your expectations.

Anyway, I digress. I appreciate the improved tone in the conversation. I just hope that we can make it more productive as well.

Exactly. “What doesn’t kills us makes us stronger”.

I feel kind of silly talking about “mission”, even more so when talking about a tool. What is “the actual mission of Lemmy”?

But let’s say that you are talking about the mission of the people working on the project. Do you think that something as crucial as our online communication networks should be majorly controlled by corporations? If you are using friendica, I guess you don’t share that opinion, right?

And if you don’t share that opinion, do you think that this “as long as I am out, I don’t care about the others” approach is effective? I think that the best way to ensure that we get to have a corporate-free internet, we need to work as hard as possible to make that the reality of the majority, not just a niche thing.

And yes, Communick is a commercial provider, but you got the order wrong. I created Communick to help me to achieve this goal of having open systems available to everyone, making money and having Communick growing is a means, not an end. And quite frankly, Communick has been nothing but a money pit. I’m still running it because I’m stubborn. If I just cared about money I’d be working at Google.

Funny you mention the bots.

Not only I don’t see any “harm” done there (I mean, really, was there any bad serious consequence of a system that replicated a few million comments?), to me it’s a good example of this “progressive” generation acting like extreme reactionaries. Instead of adapting to a new scenario (hey, browsing by all is not really going to work if we have that many people posting content, maybe I should learn to curate the communities) and trying to learn with the new information and see where it would go, most people were just decided to take it as a personal attack on them (it wasn’t) and their preferences.

Likewise, I refuse to see “trying to hard to get people to switch” as a bad thing. I honestly see it as a moral imperative: if corporate-controlled social media is bad for us, and if any social network depends on a sizable number of participants, then it stands to reason that we are only going to have a “healthy” internet when the mainstream is here. This is not just a fight over what site people use to share stupid memes, this is about not letting our collective imagination and culture be controlled by some oligarchs.