I’m wondering what everyone else thinks is in our future as Canadians?
Do we think Trump is going to be stupid enough to try to invade Canada or redraw border lines?
Will the trade war continue for years or will Trump wuss out like last time?
We we continue to buy US products after they’ve now screwed us a second time?
I know I’m in the camp that whatever happens, I’m planning on completely excluding the USA from my life as much as possible.
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I would view it as an escalation if the govt starts warming us up to getting rid of US media, content and platforms. We shouldn’t be mass importing their media, news, worldview as much as we do normally but now they are invaders - digital boycott is a real thing.
Getting off Facebook is one of the most important things we can do since it’s the largest spreader of misinformation.
Been off that for years.
I would like to see Canadian cable TV replace (at least some) American channels with international ones from the other English speaking countries.
And delete Faux news entirely.
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Yes, I know the number of homes with cable continues to shrink, but it’s still got a massive installed base.
EU membership, please!!
I do not believe the US will invade, at least not for quite a while. It would be economic suicide and is very unpopular even amongst Trump’s own voter base. Will he in the future? Maybe, and we absolutely should plan for that. Canada needs a proper military and our forces can no longer exist as just an arm of the US military.
I think what happens next will largely depend on our government(s) going forward. Trump’s temper, imperial ambitions, greed, and pride all ride on a constant knife-edge and dealing with him requires a skilled and smooth hand. We can further our ties with the US and essentially become a vassal territory, or we can seek new allies and deals elsewhere which seems to be the route we are taking at present.
Canadians need to get used to the new reality that we now share a border with a fascist dictatorship lead by a screaming near-80 year old toddler and an army of yes men. I think we are going to end up a lot like Finland in that living under the constant threat of invasion is an aspect of daily life. The bear hasn’t struck yet but one day it will and every person needs to be ready and know how to respond.
Securing our democracy and economy is paramount. The Americans will be attacking our elections, our media, and our protected industries. We have been doing a good job at getting people to stop buying US products but we need to get them off American social media and news sites too - it is literally a matter of national security.
Excellent post. The Finland comparison seems very appropriate.
I also complete agree about getting off American social media, especially Facebook.
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I think the Canadian national conversation has shifted. Sure, many business will need to or choose to still trade with the US, no matter what craziness starts or stops during or after the Trump administration. But we won’t take the US for granted as a stable trading partner anymore.
The trade war will come on and off over his term, whenever Trump wants to take the media off of a different problem he caused.
A real war is very unlikely, not impossible, but it depends on Trump and how competent Trump’s yes men are at enacting his fanciful ideas. I’d prepared for the possibility between 2016-2020, Trump would drop a nuke, and that didn’t happen at least. But just the same, once again as Canadians we should be prepared for the worst, and work with whatever we have as a nation. They can take a lot from us by force, but they will never take away our solidarity and our sovereignty without us voluntarily giving it up.
We can see from their Russian masters how an American invasion would take.
They’d try to grab and hold strategic areas and resources, while using missiles and aircraft to cripple the economy and infrastructure and spread fear nationwide.
However, we can remember that the US has tried to invade many other countries and they’ve failed every time. And while we may never have the tanks and aircraft to match them in open warfare, even much poorer countries than Canada were able to successfully repel the American forces.
And in this scenario we’d have a massive untamed border to use to make counter strikes, and would likely get significant military support from allies around the world and in the US as well.
So it would be monumentally devastating on both sides. It would be a catastrophically stupid endeavour. Which doesn’t rule it out, they have extremely stupid people in charge.
But personally I believe the US would descend into civil war before this happens, with “blue” states having suppressed voting rights trying to secede.
But personally I believe the US would descend into civil war before this happens
Which doesn’t mean we shouldn’t prepare for this possibility, starting yesterday.
We can use the money we were pissing away on F35s to create a national corps, who would be trained in the types of guerrilla warfare we’d need in this scenario. And be cross-trained to respond to climate emergencies such as floods and hurricanes and fires. And help build out infrastructure to shore up our east-west corridors and access to the north.
a national corps, who would be trained in the types of guerrilla warfare we’d need in this scenario. And be cross-trained to respond to climate emergencies such as floods and hurricanes and fires.
When I joined up, that was the CAF. You’re describing the thing that we already have, and most of its mandate.
I apologize for my ignorance then, and appreciate the correction. Lets build upon this foundation, it seems a lot more useful than 88 ludicrously expensive foreign jets supplied by our biggest threat.
I so hope those F35s do not come to Canada, I know it will be a learning curve that pilots and mechanics will have to under go if we get the other ones but as I understand it we will get the rights to make replacement parts and do the repairs to the European ones.
as I understand it we will get the rights to make replacement parts and do the repairs to the European ones.
That should be the default for any military equipment.
Having our armed forces reliant of the goodwill of some other country is a risk to the military ability to do their job.
I hope they do - the 16 we’ve committed to buying anyway - and that as soon as they arrive our engineers immediately start taking them apart so that we can incorporate their technology into our own planes or planes produced by our actual allies. The ones we don’t take apart can be used in exercises to determine the best ways to shoot them down.
But personally I believe the US would descend into civil war before this happens, with “blue” states having suppressed voting rights trying to secede.
How? By waving little round signs? By holding sing-alongs? By getting outraged whenever anyone doesn’t like the latest Disney movie? What gives you the impression that anyone on the American left would be willing to expend the kind of effort and sacrifice necessary to mount a serious revolt?
I feel and share your rage about the inaction by the American mainstream left.
My hunch that they’d change their tune before allowing their country to engage in outright war with Canada is nothing more than combination of a hunch and naive optimism.
We certainly can’t bank on my hunch — we need to prepare as if you’re correct.
I’ve started listening to the audiobook Canada alone, and so far it’s very prescient of what’s happening. Worth a read / listen.
Canada needs to dedicate its 3.6% of our gdp on the military while we build more town infrastructure further northward to give ourselves more land to retreat to.
Best case scenario Ukraine gets all that surplus equipment and we have more people spread out across the country.
in a way, Trump is actually succeeding in getting NATO member countries to reach the 2% GDP commitment for military spending… by scaring countries into arming themselves against the United States.
it’s like convincing your friend to install an alarm system by threatening to rob them at gunpoint.
We don’t need to go north. There’s plenty of space in, say, western Ontario that’s going unused.
Oh Trump will absolutely try to redraw the borderline. His handy reality denying sharpie will come out again.
When everything started on Jan 20 and you could see what was happening in the US. Their regime dismantling the government, Musk, DOGE, and tariffs, and it was hard to believe what was happening. Then, the continued threats to Canada, it was all pretty scary.
Now, 50 something days in, I’m starting to realize they have no plan and no execution, or even no sense to what they’re doing. So sure it still feels really unstable and uneasy but less threatening.
Hopefully, the world will economically destroy Musk just on the principal of his actions. Show billionaires they are not immune.
I do think it’s possible there eventually will be a military action on Canada. I think the most plausible thing I’ve heard is that Canada would be easy to invade but nearly impossible to hold. That would be a messy situation for both sides. Nobody will be a winner, so it will come down to desire to go down that road. From what I’ve been hearing, there is only a very low percentage of people on either side of the border who have support of this action.
In the meantime, I would be happy to see Canada disconnect from America, find new trade partners, and improve our infrastructure. Seems to be what the plans are, so I think we are dealing best we can in the situation we are in.
True north strong and free.
Speaking of improving infrastructure, cbc is building out local news and hiring (permanent contracts in a unionized gig btw, for any fantastic yet out-of-work journalists scrolling by).
Trump stupidity and invasion is certainly a possibility. So far he was outlining his intentions in pretty straight manner
As an American living in Seattle area. Please invade Washington, so we can succeed it to you and join your fight. The new way of doing things here is to lie things into existence so we have a good shot at a non violent succession. All we have to say is Vancouver North and South are actually part of the same territory and use a sharpie to circle them on a map. Worth a shot at least. Assuming you would have us that is, please take us!
I’d be for that; I have family living between Metro Vancouver and Vancouver South (North Vancouver is a separate city and South Vancouver is a suburb of Vancouver) on both sides of the current border.
Although realistically, we need to replace British Columbia with Cascadia and absorb the entire Columbia River basin, so there are no future fights over water rights or management.
Red River valley has some similar issues further east; not sure which way the border should move there; most Canadians along that border already shop in the US.
Canada should fund US resistance groups. Fuck waiting these four years. The world will be unfamiliar and unwelcoming.
I think we’ll all get on just fine. This is like a toddler tantrum. Just need to cry it out in the corner a bit.
