We have yet another example of the conservatives having only short term gain and quick profits on their mind. Turner and the liberals were right when they said that we have been building this country east to west for a century plus, and that we should have continued doing so. And now we are seeing Turner’s predictions coming true, and a conservative sold us the fuck out and took the easy way Instead of nation building.
If you’re voting strategically ABC, make sure that the Liberals actually have the strongest contender in your riding based on the polls.
There are a lot of NDP / Conservative battleground ridings that the Liberals will never pick up.
Just gonna drop this here
I don’t trust most of these websites to give an objective answer for most people’s ridings. Better to spend a bit more time and look at the poll data and riding’s history yourself.
While I agree with you, it’s tough to get most people to click beyond a headline or open a statistics database for a bunch of easily disprovable commonly held beliefs (aka “common sense”); even if it’s to just start thinking about this stuff (and hopefully eventually apply and cross-check), I still view tools like these as a boon.
This right here
This!! don’t just blindly vote Lib, some riding lib doesn’t stand a chance.
I’m feeling conflicted this year. I’ve been an NDP voter since as long as I was old enough to vote. This year I’m leaning Liberal.
My riding is polling strong red so while it doesn’t make a statistical difference I want to show the NDP that I’m not confident in their leadership or partisanship. I love their policies but it’s time for Jagmeet and similar ineffective MPs to make way for stronger leaders.
There might be a ghost of a chance that the Liberals win in my riding so I’m going to go for them.
Yeah same boat here.
I agree liberals dont make tha same mistake as your american equivalents. Make sure your candidates running actually gives people reasons to vote for your candidate.
Dont think you can just goose step to the party line of no change for the working class. Dont try to deny and support a genocide. Dont think the other candidate sucking is sufficient for you to brow beat people to vote for your candidate.
If there’s a group asking for a change that you might not technically agree with but doesnt harm people do it anyways
It’s so obvious that Canada and the liberal party isn’t supportive of Israel doing what they’re doing… Wtf are you talking about?
Don’t be that left leaning douche bag that thinks that unless everything is done perfectly to a tee with what YOU want to see, that it isn’t worth voting for. The NDP has great ideas and we owe them for pushing the liberals to get dental care and pharma care done … But Jesus Christ the foreign interference is strong with you
I know it’s because you feel very passionate about this issue, but you really need to change that attitude. We’re all fiends here.
Hey, I know i am definitely a fiend, but do you really think we all are?
Canada and the liberal party isn’t supportive of Israel doing what they’re doing… Wtf are you talking about?
Justin Trudeau: “I am a zionist” and also “Zionism isn’t a bad word.” then proceeds to send money and equipment to Israel.
Zionism is just the basic fact that the Jewish people deserve to have a state to live in. Zionism has been thrown around as a buzzword forever and it’s not wrong to say that Jews deserve to have a state to represent them. Now currently is what Israel doing ok? Fuck no. But you’re not gonna fucking sit in here and conflate this bullshit as if the liberals are responsible for Israel doing what it’s doing. They aren’t.
Zionism[a] is an ethnocultural nationalist[b] movement that emerged in Europe in the late 19th century that aimed to establish a national home for the Jewish people, pursued through the colonization of Palestine,[2] a region roughly corresponding to the Land of Israel in Judaism,[3] with central importance in Jewish history. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.[4]
In summary, it’s a movement that aims at committing genocide in order to obtain a ethno-cultural state where Judaism and Jews are the only accepted and dominant people.
Yes, zionism is bad.
lol yes being an asshole definitely is going to win you votes. lol you idiots never learn jesus.
imagine thinking that politicians should serve their constituents interests in order to ensure people are willing to vote for them is ‘foreign interference’. lolol
You’re talking about a foreign issue that is not Canada’s number one pressing issue at the moment. Conflating it with the liberals who have the best chance at defeating the conservatives who will sell out our country, to the USA, who is also currently aiding the genocide and horror happening in Gaza and Israel right now…
Like how well did it turn out for the NoT VoTinG KaMalA crowd because they thought she would be terrible for Palestine? Don’t be dumb.
I know. I know Americans who were like “I’m not voting for Kamala because of Genocide Joe in fact I won’t vote at all” and then Trunp 2.0 gets in. How’s that going for you Amerikkka???
They’re already in here steering the conversation completely in a different direction
You know we have more than 2 parties in Canada right? And that we have a Westminster parliamentary system, meaning we can have a minority government. Unlike in the U.S.
So we actually have the option to vote for a 3rd or even 4th party if we want and still end up with the conservatives not being in complete power. In fact, I believe the best outcome for Canada would be a minority Liberal government with the NDP as the opposition.
If we don’t vote Liberal, it’s not a total loss. So you can calm down. What happened in the U.S. won’t happen here.
I’m not conflating anything, I’m telling you to stop worrying about the candidate you dont like and demand your preferred candidate make a case on why they are worth putting the effort on showing up for to people who dont give a shit about politics. my examples were of what not to fucking do, and you immediately start doing a few of them. good job.
the US liberals (harris/biden/pelosi/schumer,etc) and those like them (you) think you can brow beat people into compliance by fear of conservatives and that doesnt work. all it does it cause people to tune you out and then ignore the election entirely.
Why are you trying to conflate Canadian Liberals and the Democrats? They aren’t remotely the same party, the systems of government don’t look anything alike and they aren’t in cahoots.
And the Canadian Conservatives are fronting a guy who has stated his support of American style “Right to Work” legislation and other Americanizing government initiatives who went into politics immediately from going to school for international affairs against a guy who has spent years as Governor of two National Central Banks and created a number of international contacts across the Commonwealth in the international financial sector that can be leveraged and yet Conservatives are trying to paint themselves as “better for the economy”. Pollievre has been utilizing anti gay anti queer dogwhistles in his rhetoric for the past ever as well. Fuck Right to Work bullshit and fuck anybody who wants to roll back civil protections. There’s not a lot of places in the world as safe as Canada for queer people to exist so it’s not like there’s much better places to escape once the fortress falls.
The CPC and UCP are pretty awful for sure. But as this thread demonstrates, conservatives do not have a monopoly on bad takes, divisive rhetoric, unnecessary hostility, and self-defeating attitudes.
And the parallels between Democrats and LPC are significant. Both have an establishment that isn’t genuinely interested in tackling certain problems or backing away from a still generally pro-business bias. Aside from some key fundamentals we can credit for upholding this difference, many of the practical differences between Canada and the U.S. are more in degree than nature – i.e. money in politics, corporate welfare, influence of traditional energy, (mostly provincial) industrial barons, etc.
Admittedly the Liberals are not my party of choice but there still is validity for voting for the lesser of two bad options. Until we can address the first past the post system we are beholden to voting more against than for a given regime by reaching a sort of mutual concensus with our neighbours before we hit the polls. That representive voting system needs to happen elsewise we’re stuck playing this dumb game.
But it’s hard to compare even this party I am not terribly enthusiastic to to the Democrats when there’s at least mediocre commitments to a number of decent causes toward reconciliation, reasonable commitment to the Kyoto climate accord targets, stated support of LGBTQIA+ causes and at least a lukewarm support of Palistine mostly expressed through refugee programs and a spineless condemnation of the atrocities and a recognition of two state authorities in the region. There’s also a much more robust court culture and a wider swath of people in the party who at least demonstrate a desire for a properly pluralistic, secular society.
It’s more useful to veiw the parties based on how they talk within their own parties because it’s not a presidential situation. There’s less unilateral moves to be made as a PM without party support is a lame horse. While I wish we would see wider endorsement of the NDP it’s not traditionally a popular party in the field and there’s way more swing between Libs and Conservatives.
The Liberals are trying their best to find a tasty middle ground for the “fiscal Conservative voter” to bite because strategy reasons. They put forward a candidate who is Albertan, Catholic, an outsider to politics with a lot of financial sector ties who pulls quotes from the era of the Quiet revolution and balancing government budgets for the discerning blue voter while the more leftist ones can chew on his ringing of alarm bells of wealth inequality, climate change and the lack of application of morals in the markets. He’s been largely silent on 2SLGBTQIA+ issues which while always a little unsettling the previous admin left on a very openly queer friendly stance so while again, not ideal, all that currently is needed at present is just not undoing what’s been done and supporting the stuff already in progress.
Is he everything we’ve dreamed? Not really. But it shows they are trying to build out a solid concensus candidate that a broad range of people can stomach.
I’m not. I’m telling you that running a campaign on nothing other than ‘not that guy’ is a recipe for a disaster.
Do. not. fall. into. that. trap.
its a trap this entire thread demostrates people are actively falling into.
You are literally describing the fucking conservatives with that. Their entire fucking campaign leading up to this moment was: WeRe NoT JusTiN. Lmao
The preferred candidate for Canada ATM is Mark Carney. Period. You wanna be a whiney little bitch keyboard warrior go right ahead and continue blaming all your problems on the government
Please change your tone. There’s no need for insults here.
preferred to whom. anyways good luck you’re going to need it.
Preferred to Canada??? The entire nation? Obviously If the riding you’re in is a CPC/NDP battle ground you should vote NDP, and if it’s a LPC/CPC battleground then you shouldn’t vote split and go liberal. This is very basic shit. Grow up.
What’re you gonna say next? that because trump said he would prefer dealing with a liberal that it’s true?
Read Sale of a Country by Shelley Ann Clarke
I’ll be strategically voting liberal this time because of the MAGA traitor PP. He would sell Canada in a heartbeat to Trump’s regime.
Once Milhouse is dealt with I will not be voting liberal ever again. Not that my vote matters really. My riding is 100% liberal.
I really don’t give a shit how unpopular Jagmeet is. I am a socialist. I don’t like the liberals. They’re centrists. I will vote for the centrist to keep fascism at bay.
I guarantee that when the next election rolls around, you’ll once again be voting liberal to keep fascism at bay.
Just as the system intends. We need electoral reform as part of the solution out of this cycle. Our politics often mirror some of the USA (2 party system, right vs left, candidates spend most of their time bad mouthing each other, no follow through on election promises) , given their current state, we should be doing everything we can to distance ourselves and our systems from theirs.
Centrists are fascist enablers though. But I get how you feel.
Democracy is fascism enablement in general sadly.
If you’re in a battleground, like some of Alberta’s municipalities this year, make it count.
Thank you for voting strategically. It would be great to see people wake the fuck up and see the NDP become the official opposition. The conservatives should be banished to the basement of parliament
I’m pretty much in the same boat but luckily my riding is a safe NDP vote so I don’t have to worry about being strategic.
I am obviously hoping for Carney this time around though. I’d vote for an (evil even) inanimate carbon rod over PP. Hopefully the NDP can choose a new leader and really take off next election
If for no other reasons at all I think Canadians should vote Liberal for these two stances from their 2021 platform:
- 0 or lower emissions by 2050
I think climate change is a much more immediate concern than most people realize, there simply is no excuse to throw the future away over lesser social concerns.
- Taxing people who make more than 49k a Minimum non-deductible 15%, as a method of preventing the use of loopholes to pay 0% effective rates by the wealthiest of Canadians.
I think the 49k Canadian Dollars is a bit low for the bar to be, but if it taxes the rich then everyone below the 1% gains more from this policy than they lose.
But I’m not Canadian. Ya’ll do you.
The one thing I wish would stay is the 66% capital gains over $250000 a year. That tax would impact the highest of income earners only but I also see the reason in scrapping that for now to spur capital investment here. Eventually we are going to have to increase the taxes on the rich but the economic growth from what we have laid out so far will spur our economy for the next year or two until we set up trade improvements for our European and South Asian allies.
We are going to be building faster then we ever could at a time like no other. Just as we had Europe’s back in both world wars we will have your backs now in the face of Russian aggression and we will keep tabs on those American fascists running the country to the south of us. We will happily supply Europe with the resources it needs just as we did before. Natural gas, hydrogen, lumber, wheat, potash, aluminum, steel, lithium, cobalt, nickel, and so much more.
This is the Canadian century, and we will rise to the occasion
Vote, bring your friends to vote, post about voting and encourage everyone to fucking vote.
If you haven’t seen it.
So fucking sad
Vote conservative; vote Liberal.
