• jerdle_lemmy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    53
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 year ago

    People are worried that they’ll embrace, extend and extinguish it. That is, join the fediverse, make Threads a better client than any of the existing ones until everyone uses their client, then use that extra reach to harm the fediverse.

    I’m personally not that worried, because of who we are. We’re a bunch of geeks with anarchist leanings, and so probably wouldn’t switch to Threads anyway.

    • Rusticus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      1 year ago

      Please remember the example of Microsoft and open source office document formats. And in the early days of Internet Explorer with HTML. The risk here is that Threads will embrace the fediverse for a bit. Then they will incorporate features that are only available in Threads that will bleed users away from the open source options. All the while vacuuming up user data for profit while having distain for user privacy. Why would we want to allow them to cast aside the privacy for only one of our users? Are we not going to act like stewards for open source and protection of user privacy?

      • Matt Payne@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        1 year ago

        This us exactly the threat. They’ll start setting standards that other instances will be pressured to follow. Those standards will be ways to control the fediverse and make it a propietary data-gathering and sales/advertising platform just like everything else.

    • runswithjedi@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      1 year ago

      Agreed, I’m not that worried either. The only potential issue I see going forward is that, if (or when) Threads decides to defederate from other ActivityPub instances, then people may feel the need to move to Threads exclusively. I don’t think there will be that much change in userbase, though. Currently it seems like the people who use Lemmy, Mastodon, etc. wouldn’t use Threads on principle.

        • runswithjedi@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          I have no interest in using anything that Facebook or Twitter makes. But I’m genuinely at a loss for why I should be worried about them. What could they do to affect Lemmy?

          • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Facebook, Google, Apple, Zoom and others’ chat platforms are made out of defederated XMPP, being the reason XMPP, a federated chat protocol itself, has never become popular in the past 20 years.

            Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is a tactic Western capitalist tech companies use to exploit open source technologies for profits and control over society.

      • Troy@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        1 year ago

        Yes. Diversity of thought is great. We can enjoy our nerdy echo chambers, but in the end we get outvoted IRL. We need to both know what’s going on in the larger world, and we need some way to help educate. This theoretically allows the best of all worlds.

        Conversely, I don’t trust Facebook.

        • SaveComengs@lemmy.federa.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          I really hope that we learnt our lesson with the other platforms and don’t go blindly trusting mark fuckerburg with our federated platforms.

      • Addv4@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Yeah, I enjoy a ton of hobbies where a lot of the people that know their stuff aren’t particularly computer savvy. If they’re not on my platform because it is too technically complex, I’m probably going to at least visit the more walled off platforms (not usually a fun experience).

        • Rokk@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Not Zuck, but there is definitely a accessibility issue at the moment imo

        • SaveComengs@lemmy.federa.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          that’s the opposite of what I’m saying, I’m worried that if we federate with mark cuckerburg they would EEE our non tech savvy people away

    • lagomorphlecture@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      Maybe? But a lot of people have exited reddit over the last month. Maybe not the average user but not the most hardcore geek anarchist either-they weren’t on Reddit to begin with. Then there are the obvious reasons that a lot of people have left Twitter an those are the same type of people leaving reddit. So mastodon is probably more at risk than Lemmy but I don’t think for a second that meta would not throw together a Lemmy competitor if they smell any money whatsoever in it.

      Either way you run risks simply by interacting with threads, even if you interact accidentally. Their entire business model is to suck every last piece of data out of you that they can so they can sell in every way they can possibly think of to monetize it.

      Since lemmyworld has no intention of blocking them I’m finding another instance to move to. Better safe than sorry with a company that has a horrific record on every single issue. And that way if they federate then back out, I won’t be losing anything because I’ll have never seen that content to begin with.

      • Rusticus@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        Where have you read that lemmyworld has no intention of blocking Threads? I will leave as well if true.

        • lagomorphlecture@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Someone in another thread somewhere said it was stated on mastodon.world that they would only block in if something happens. I don’t remember what topic that was in so unfortunately I don’t have a link for you. At any rate, silence also speaks volumes.

    • rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      We’re a bunch of geeks with anarchist leanings, and so probably wouldn’t switch to Threads anyway.

      You know me, haha

    • t_jpeg@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      What about when/if the fediverse becomes mainstream? Sure, YOU wouldn’t use threads but plenty of people will.

    • PixelProf@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I think the main fear would be that a few really cool communities naturally spark up, even if they’re niche, and could long term create that fracture when you have to choose between keeping with that community (and any corporate backed extensions) or not.